Open Data Day 2023 – Mexico City with YouthMappers

Good afternoon, my name is Jessica de los Rios Olarte, I am regional ambassador of Youth Mappers. Today we are here to give this space a little space where Luis Miguel Sanchez will talk to us about the project that is currently being carried out in the big scene of the Bajo Sinu, where there is also an important role of the open map and the base cartography. So today he is with us, he has been a mapper since January 23, 2010, and the user is Omnibus, We are going to leave it in the chat in case you want to look a little more at the editions that he has made on the Open Street Map platform. He is from Bogotá but he is a carbon by affinity, he is a sociologist with experience as a human rights defender, peacebuilding, land restitution, and participatory GIS, and is interested in digital humanities. Today he is going to talk to us about this project of the big scene of the Bajo Sinu, the role of the social movement El Agua, telling stories that are loaded to promote the reappropriation of common goods there, and I will give the floor to all those who are with us today for being part of this space, you are completely welcome, in the chat you can leave your questions or information that you want to leave.

Also there for everyone and thank you very much to the students here, the presidents of Colombia who are virtually and also in Mexico in a formal way. I give the floor to Miguel. Okay, Jessica, thank you very much, I think we are getting along well. I thank you to the community of Youth mappers of Open Street Map, to you Jessica for linking, and to my friends and colleagues who are students and activists in Mexico and Colombia. We are an intercultural group here, so we are going to be doing this day in the framework of Open Data Day or the World Open Data Day, as joint days that are made to promote the open use of data since today they are one more commodity and our data is used and it is like activism promoting the use of human rights in the digital environment.

The activity then, I put the link to a presentation for you to go gossiping about, for you to go looking and it is the agenda proposal. This event was proposed with two days, one is today and the invitation is we are going to have a space of approximately an hour, hour and a half where we are going to do an introduction and then a kind of workshop for the management of the Moteo de la Cienaga Grande de Bajo Sinu and during the day, I will be available, we will continue here on the day, exchanging with colleagues who come during the day from the Autonomous Metropolitan University of Mexico City, it is a public university and we will be during the day in an open space to support and share information, help each other in the use of open data in social research and social activism. So the agenda proposal, if you look at the presentation, I will share with those who follow us on this side. Let’s share a little bit of the idea of the space to guide us, so as not to get lost in the world. Yes, I think you have to see it there.

Yes, we are seeing it there. Okay, well basically what we are going to do is make this little introduction. The idea is to talk a little about the open data that we started introducing and to make a presentation of those of whom we are quickly participating, I am inviting them to enter the OMPAD, which I am going to share with you so that you can register your name, your interests and that it remains as a memory of the space. What we are going to do is share a shared document, that is to say, edit together, which is one of the things that these spaces are invited to work with communities that promote collective use of information. So here to the colleagues, I am also going to invite them to present themselves now. Then we are going to talk, well, I leave you the presentation because I do not want to take too much time talking about ReDHumus, but only to make an introduction and give basic information about what it has done in the past, where ReDHumus comes from, what ReDHumus proposes and the project of the big scene of Bajosino.

So here is the information, a little of my contact and the organization, so you can access the presentation with the links to the channels, to the YouTube channel, to the ReDHumus website, to the HDX data repositories, We have two datasets, other datasets are not published but that some are in the process of validation, others are also property of the communities and we cannot publish them by our accounts, which has to be a dialogue. Well, that is where we have chosen to put some part of the data, for the other part we have also been using Archip.org. And basically, that is the proposal, right? So I would like to pause at this moment to quickly listen to those of us who are participating, Since we have the microphone open, I am going to allow you to invite my companions and friends to introduce themselves, to tell us a little about where they are, what they do, what is their connection with the university and finally, how you use the data, what are the resources so that they can use them and perhaps an open geographic database so that they can serve them.

And as a theme-oriented, it is also an artificial intelligence that you know, believe that this can serve them, that it can affect them, they are critical, they are indifferent, so I will quickly give you the floor. Good morning, My name is Ley Lierira, I am a geographer and I think it is important to talk about open data precisely because much of the information is have, geographical information, because many times now, let’s say, there is a little more access, but before it was very limited due to costs or the use of software, so I think it is very important and especially when it comes to working in community processes or supporting processes that are coming forward where it is necessary to work with social mapping, but also with the data that is generated, systematized and that more people can also access them.

And where are you from, what do you do? I am a geographer, and I am studying for a master’s degree in rural development, here at the Metropolitan Autonomous University, I am also from Colombia and I am from Nariño. Okay, thank you, Ley. And what do you know about artificial intelligence, is that indifferent to you? No, I don’t know much about it, I know that it is important for the issue of the new technologies or the development of processes, but I am not very informed.

Okay, also, are you linked to a community process, your thesis on what it is about? Well, linked, let’s say that I come to work on a territorial management issue in the indigenous community, in a memory in the people of the pastures. Okay, thank you. Good morning, I am Alejandro Montañez, I am a native of Yucatán, from the peninsula of Yucatán, and in the last two years I have been studying post-grand rural development, studying and collaborating with community tourism networks in the peninsula, Since 2019 we have been collaborating as a peninsula alliance for community tourism, viajaturismocommunitario.com, for those who want to take a look, and well, in part it is what we propose as a strategy of defense of the territory, starting from the fact that if someone is going to benefit from all the tourism that arrives in Yucatán, they must be the own receiving communities so that they can have the capacity to generate their understanding and to take advantage of this flow of visitors in their benefit and under their forms.

About mapping, well, we have used several times tools to make conflicts visible, there I recommend the work of Geocomunes, the visualizer of territorial conflicts in the peninsula of Yucatán, and of critical mapping on a wider scale, and it has been a tool to make visible that the problems that we sometimes see from the local, well, they are reproduced in different spaces and the need to share this information so that it is not to feel alone in defense, but to know that this is shared and the need to continue generating alliances.

Already on the subject of AI, really, as Lady, the most I have read has been about the GPT chat that is used to falsify documents, and on the subject of what we do, well, it does generate more on the commercial part of how all this is going to move, AI is going to do it and they are going to do jobs that are going to get lost, and well, but I would also have doubts about how we could take advantage of it for really our benefit, as the same logic that the tourism said, if someone is going to benefit, let it be the base agent itself, but for that we have to appropriate more of the tools, I think politically, and I don’t know if, yes, I think that with that, greetings.

Good morning, I am Salomon Rod, I am working in a civil association called the Service of Development and Peace of the Capotocina in the state of San Luis Potosi, in a rural area that is a peasant area that is seven hours north of here in the city of Mexico, and the area of the native peoples Tenec and Nahuatl, and the organization broadly focuses on community development, we have a lot of work in what are sustainable technologies, agro- and agricultural technologies, but we also work on organizational processes, human rights issues, gender equality, and also demanding the rights and autonomy of the same communities in that region. In terms of technologies, what we use are videos, we produce videos as instructions on the technologies that we upload to the networks, and we also use them in a local way, and the website is www.sedepachuasteca.org, and the website is www.sedepachuasteca.org, which we can also put here in the chat, and I am here also with the colleagues in the Master’s of Rural Development here at the Autonomous Metropolitan University here in Mexico City, and I am happy to be here with you today and to know all these processes and possibilities and potentialities of using artificial intelligence, and a little bit like the philosophy behind our work with technologies, is that technologies should not be seen as something automatically positive or something that only goes in growth towards improvement, but rather that they have to be analyzed and controlled by society and applied in a way that benefits, let’s say, technology in its best use or its best application is where society organizes itself and decides how to use it, because we just take the example of the industrialization process, we have more technology, it is advancing, but for example people work the same amount of hours or even more hours, so it is an example where if technology is not applied in a planned way from society, instead of generating benefits and improvements, it can even have a negative impact, so I think it would be to apply that same thought also to artificial intelligence.

Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. To also contextualize the topic of the IA, in this link that we are sharing in the first one, where we invite you to register, there is a presentation that the idea will be addressed on the second day more broadly, about what open data is, what artificial intelligence is, and we could introduce that the topic of open data starts with all movement, it says I would like you to put here also the tools that you just mentioned, Geocommunes and Cartocritics, of course, well, they are already helping us there, and basically, if they are these, the links, right? Yes, they are the ones that send you. Okay, I’m going to put the others that have been sharing with us, the other colleagues.

I think they are the ones. Ok, I think they are these. So, if you see this presentation of the document associated with today’s day, when we talk about the open data day, 2023, a presentation is prepared that introduces these topics, right? Because, let’s say, as the guides, the themes of this space are digital humanities, open data, and the IA, right? So basically, for you to follow us, digital humanities are a discipline that combines, I could even say that it is not a discipline, even looking at it as a practice, because many of the things have come out of the practices of activism and have colonized the academy, other instances, or have been appropriated by other instances, but basically, it combines humanities and digital technologies and uses digital methods to analyze and better understand the culture of society. One of the basic exercises of why we are talking about digital humanities is because we have come to the experience of ReDHumus, which is a collective, a cooperative collective, based on technology, constituted with exercises to link human rights, the exercise of social activism, with the use of technologies, and critical use of these technologies.

It has led us to see that we have worked and see the importance of working with digital community archives of human rights, We have had different experiences, and each time we have found that this name has been a little similar to our practices to that trend or to that movement that has been emerging, in which documents have begun to come out, research, research groups on the subject, projects of work on that subject. And what is artificial intelligence? Well, there would be a lot to say, but basically, we can say that it is neither artificial nor intelligent.

But taking Solomon’s words, it is a social production behind artificiality, there are many human hands, people are working, and it is a human extension of what we use to facilitate our lives in the basic, right? A grill is a technological tool that helps us to plow the land, and a tractor, let’s say, is a little more sophisticated, but it has a similar purpose. Depending on the context, it will serve me more, I am in a vertiente in Colombia, in a mountain in Colombia, sowing coffee, or in Veracruz, in Mexico, and it will not serve me a tractor, right? I have to use other types of tools, but basically, they are extensions of human ability, and it is neither intelligence because it is finally programmed with the information that has been taken care of by human beings, in some places, that have been either well or poorly paid, that have had to see violent materials or not, to be able to classify them and cure that information and be able to feed the database.

It is based on a system of taking many databases that are labeled, not labeled or classified, or are regularized, and relating them to each other, and then different types of processing are done, of language, visual, sounds, well, let’s say, it does all kinds of multimedia processing, and that they can, let’s say, have different uses in society, right? Let’s say that, we will go into that in the other session, and there are many ethical and critical questions about artificial intelligence, to the use of these data.

That introduction I wanted to give you and invite you to introduce yourself quickly, Those who are connected connected, it does not have to be all of them, but whoever wants, can raise their hand, and we will give the floor to know who they are, and also, let’s say, what areas of knowledge they are working on, because now with the task down, we will see that we need help in some issues, for example, in ecology, in economics, in many areas, that we will see that they can help us, and with the example of the Low Sinu, there may even be other projects that are in this process, the invitation is that from here some projects come out, some collaborations, that even link the Open StreamBot community in Mexico, and Colombia stretches the ties to work in these areas, and there is a need for the use of data.

So, give it to Queen Kispe, and go in that order that you are raising your hand there, I think Queen Kispe has, start, go ahead. Do we hear you, Queen Kispe? Ken, Ken, can you have the floor? Hello, hello, hello. It’s Ken. Yes, there we hear you, yes. I think you want to, Queen. Yes, go ahead, Ken, we hear you. Yes, I introduce myself, My name is Ken, Ken Ferrer, I am from Mani, and I am from, well, I am in Lima right now, I am in Lima, I have been part of the Open StreamBot community since last year, I have had certain experiences regarding social cartography, I am a law student at the National University of San Marcos, I have been working for half a year, I am going to progress in this, I have made a very fast progress, and I am interested in what you have said about artificial intelligence, it is a topic that I have been very interested in in my career, I think I have a certain attachment to computer law and that kind of thing, so I was very aware of that point and I did something that I would like to treat, as Miguel just commented about starting projects, more Latin American, why not, regarding these issues, and well, that would be me, Ken, Ken Ferrer, the name is Ken, it is English, the name, it would be Skin, it is almost in English, and that’s it.

Thank you, Ken. Zaira? Hello, good morning everyone, My name is Zaira Oviedo, and I am an advisor to the MES group of the University of Guajira, Right now, with the students, with three or four students, we are starting a project the Semillar Investigation, which is about mapping university routes, and the final goal of the project is to create an application that allows students to see where the route comes from in real-time, in that we are if you have the knowledge and can help us, welcome. Zaira, thank you very much, I think you were in the whole mapping for Guajira, right? In the Marathon for Guajira, if I’m not mistaken.

Yes sir, that’s where I met for stream and since then I have not separated, I have had it like that I leave, I return, but there I am still to continue. Great, I also have references from that moment, thank you. Who else would like to share? Well, I also take the floor here, well, some guys know me, my name is Jessica del Río de Solarte, as I mentioned at the beginning, I am a regional ambassador of Youth Mappers, but I am a biologist, so I have been very interested and linked to several activities of Youth Mappers, several projects that have a relationship with open data and with the Open Stream Map platform, but it has always caught my attention, which can also be done from the open map and from these platforms to collaborate or contribute also to social appropriation, but in socio-ecological systems, so then I was also in contact with Miguel, and I found this project very interesting, and well, you can count on me too, I will be contributing what is necessary.

Excellent, Jessica, thank you very much for linking these spaces and people again. Hello, nice to meet you, My name is Mariela Centeno, and I am from Ecuador, I belong to the Youth Mappers network, well, currently I am in Ecuador with the Geomappest group in mapping open data with Open Stream Map in Aledaña to Volcanic communities, we have already had different experiences in Tasking Manager and also some remote mapings that have been done, we have had few people, but they have been very passionate people, and in the same way I would like to take this opportunity so that you are aware of networks and maybe at some point to be able to collaborate with this. I also want to congratulate you who are currently touching on these topics, that many times People think that they are not useful to the community, however open data, free data, community data as I call it, is super important to be able to see the development of communities that are often limited to information.

I am a Geography and Environment Engineer, and I am at your service for what you need. Great, Mariela, thank you very much. So you already knew the Youth Mappers community, Alejandro told me that he already knew here, and here he already had followers on Twitter or Facebook? On Facebook. They had them in front of their eyes, yes. Yes. Well, you see people coming and going out because that is how the dynamic is today, that is why we are talking about an open house in the face. If someone else wants to introduce themselves, to the rest of the people, then invite them to say so. For those who do not remember that there in the PAD, if they have any difficulty writing their names, the edition is open.

In the left part is, I do not know if you already know HedgeDoc, which is this … Come on, someone was going to talk. Hello, take the microphone away, but do not try to … That’s it, ready. Good afternoon, I am Cauet de Moraes Festena, I already know Jessica, I already know Mariela, I am from Brazil, so my Spanish is not the best in the world, but here I am a cartographer and these days I am also president of a chapter of Youth Mappers here in Brazil called Free Mappers, which in Spanish is almost the same thing, it is Free Mappers, only with a V, it is not the place of the short V. So these days I work in my doctorate with the mapping of urban accessibility, and mainly the mapping of the walls, so the condition of whether or not it has accessibility, whether or not it has ramps, and things like that.

Great, thank you very much, here in Mexico they call them banquets, in Colombia they call them bandanas, there is a lot of diversity of names. Spain is called aceras. I like the name that the map tones give in Portuguese, I like that name. Yes, we call it Mapatona, yes. And yes, yes. Well, I have also invited you to have links there, maybe even a stay here in Mexico City with the UAM, or maybe there is a possibility that students from here can make a stay there, some kind of collaboration here.

Yes, yes, of course, it would be very good. We will always have mapping projects, and here at the university, we are cartographers. I have here with me another friend who is also a member of the team, and here we are on the street, this is Gabriele. Hello, how are you? Hello. Hello, Gabriele. Nice to meet you. It seems that your Spanish is better than mine. There is a little more practice. Yes, yes. So it is always very nice to make collaborations here. These days I was talking with the people from the chapter of Youth Mappers of Bolivia, Professor Patricia, and I was with a mapping and accessibility workshop, If you are interested, I can present it to you. But always have patience with my Spanish. And to us with our Portuguese, which does not exist yet. Yes, yes, yes. But I think that if you speak a little Portuguese, you can get a little.

Maybe you can speak a little more slowly. No, but at least you can speak a little Spanish, and I think we understand each other, but we do get serious when speaking Portuguese. Gabi is also a cartographer and is from the team too. Great. Well, that exchange of knowledge is what has motivated us to share in these communities, and we always find many satisfactions in this. For example, Jessica was telling us here, that if she is a biologist, and for example, in the case of use that we currently have in the low SINU, this is one of the key elements to understand what is happening. So sometimes not only from human sciences, we are left without understanding the other part, and it must be much more integral to understanding a territory and the impacts it has. One of the things that we have normally done is the introduction, when we start and open an account in OpenStream, we map the place where we live, the places we know, let’s say in person, that’s how it was, and I’ve seen that other people have done it in the same way, with variations, but we are expanding one to the range and it is beginning to apply that mapping and that knowledge, and learning much more about the territory where it lives or that it arrives, through the maps, and let’s say another modality is the humanitarian cartography, with humanitarian purposes that have a temporality of the urgency, but there is also the use in development projects and the use that we apply more than anything, and in the case that we are going to talk about or that we are working on today, it has to do with the use for processes, we call it territorialization, that is, processes of social appropriation of the territory for community social order, and let’s say this philosophy of open data and the use, access to information and production of data, with the care that they will have, because there are territories that it is not convenient for them to map everything, for example, or that they are not prepared to make a recognition of the territory, to make it visible in other ways, let’s say they are ethical matters that must also be taken into account.

There are also some locations where it can be a security criterion for the community that the precise position of the community is not known. There are cases of violence in the regions here in Brazil against the native peoples here in Brazil, so for some, it is not good to know their location, not the same. So, I, who am a map maker, recognize that there are regions that are not mapped, or at least perhaps not so publicly, the importance is that the information is not left in the wrong hands.

Yes, and I wanted to say that it is interesting, I was also talking about the issue of emergency mapping. We were helping the mapping in Turkey, and it was very interesting because I was watching a video of a Turkish doctor who said that the day after the earthquake, people were already using Organic Maps, which is an application to navigate with the data from OpenStreetMap. The day after the earthquake, they were looking for medical help, using the data from OpenStreetMap in a very short time. So it is interesting, here we, map makers, have the technical knowledge of how to transform everything we see into numbers. At the end of the day, they are all numbers. So, only that many times we will not have an idea of how to transform these numbers into something. We will not have so much idea of the use of data, and how to use this data.

We do not know how to map that tree, or precisely where to map that tree. But many times the application is something more vague for us. And it is interesting, when I was in Peru, coming again Jessica and Mariela, I was practically the only map maker there, and everyone was interested in the use of mapping for disaster management and risks. So it is very nice that we can change experiences and knowledge because we also often lack the human side. Dale, did you want to say something? Yes, about what they talk about and who accesses the information. We have identified that unfortunately, they are not only people with social vision who use this data, but also on the private sector side. They have specialist people investigating this information, for example, to know where to invest or not. In the case of Yucatán, for example, the mapping of the cenotes was worked on from a biological, ecological point of view, recognizing these water bodies of the region.

And in the end, what is that for? For private entrepreneurs to see where they bought land. I put it as a doubt because I do not have a solution. Free and open information, but how to ensure that it is used for non-profit purposes or at least not so predatory? As the Brazilian colleague says, also for the safety of those who generate information from their localities. Many times the ignorance of where this activist or this university is going to recover does not socialize. That is why the importance of transmitting knowledge and capabilities is not only to generate information but also that there are people with the capacity to handle it so that they can discern situations or who where, and where the information came from. I do not know, but I think it is something very important. Because in that freedom we can fall into affecting more than helping sometimes. But hey, I feel that it is something very complex. I do not know if the solution comes out here, but it is good to have it.

It is a very complex question. Here in Brazil, for example, I am a guy who likes technology a lot. And as a cartographer, talking about mapping technologies, there is one called radar, which is capable of surpassing vegetation. So you can map the surface that exists below the trees. These data were used to help find gold and gold reserves. So thanks to these data, which can technically be very interesting, many people interested in exploration had access to know exactly where there is gold. And many of the Amazonian peoples got into a big problem. So yes, these are ethical and moral questions that are difficult. And many times we who are rich, do not stop to think about these things. Many times.

That is why they say that these interdisciplinary skills allow them not only to know how to handle the criteria. Jessica, you have your hand up. Yes, I wanted to take advantage of the meeting. We have understood a little what has been said about the Openda. I would like to go into the meeting to know what each one does to contribute. But to not waste too much time, I would like you to tell us a little more about the Jan Si project. What is the goal for which we are also gathered, what is being done, and what is the role of all those who are participating with you? For example, these people who come to accompany us also. If they have a role there within the project, in what phase, then I would like you to tell us a little more about this. And also that we present the task later and that they can also link the people who believe or who are interested in participating.

Of course. Well, the colleagues who have presented themselves here do not have a specific role in the task. The link is because I am also part of the Master’s degree in Rural Development at UAM. And we share that space and we wanted to open this space to the community. Because here at UAM not many exercises of this kind have been done. So we want to open the space at UAM for this. And also invite these colleagues and motivate them with the use of open data, since we are in this event, open data. And then expand that range. The Banos Inú project, specifically, arises from the accompaniment that we began to give in 2017 through a project called Transforming Territories Building Peace. From that process, several things came out, but let’s say we participated there. In providing, let’s say, we help the formulation of a participatory geographical information system that could support the work of this project that was seeking to link to six universities, the National University and five regional universities in Colombia. So that they strengthen or create observatories of territorial conflicts in their regions. And they could start this process through a network investigation about territorial conflicts.

An analysis of a case of territorial conflict in the region of influence, the university, and the approaches of both communities and the state of those conflicts. From there, let’s say, a result of research arises. I am going to share the link here too. These are documents that give an account of the results of that research process. But it was not only a research process, but also a process of accompaniment. And since the interest, let’s say, in that we participate at a personal level as professionals, but the project ends and the universities or the institutions leave. Many times the project ends and the accompaniment is over. So we have had those experiences, they have already occurred to us, and we did not want to repeat the story of what was done to give continuity through, let’s say, in the personal case of the project, we wanted to invite this cooperative, the one we are part of, the one I am co-founder, to continue the process.

So a participatory SIG process was designed that did not, reach its design and its piloting, but it did not have greater continuity. What was done was, let’s assume from ReDHumus to continue the participatory SIG process and support. In the context of that process, you will see if you see the document of the Bajosinu, there is a little bit of the history of that region, what are the socio-environmental conflicts that occur there. I am going to share with you, also so that you have it on the radar, the presentation, let’s say, of what, let’s say, one of the ways that at a personal level, I found to give continuity and put together those worlds that we like and our vocations and our jobs and our professions and our work is to try to put things together. What you see in the initial presentation that I shared with you, where ReDHumus is spoken of, what we have done over time is to look for and put together those things.

Activism through open data, free knowledge, free software, free culture, let’s say, humanist and libertarian thought, put together with the exercise of activism, human rights, and dialogue with people who are not accessing this digital world and who, let’s say, are being affected by what is decided outside of them. If we talk only about maps, then maps are being made about them without them knowing, without them having the criterion of what is being autographed, and how they appear on the map. So, in that component, after having helped formulate it, and having piloted the implementation, we are at the end of a project and with a process that the community has been managing conflicts for 40 years on land and water.

There are some very complex situations there that have to do with the de-drying of the bodies of water, they have to do with the construction of artificial dikes for, let’s say, extensive livestock processing, with the construction of development projects that have impacted the communities. And basically, let’s say, that’s what we also seek to appropriate through linking this case to the investigation. So, what I have done, let’s say, to be able to continue accompanying the process without resources, without projects, without accompaniment, was to link it to the life of ReDHumus and to the academic life that was the step that I had been taking and that’s where we are. Carlos, I wanted to present you a moment to Carlos.

Carlos, if you want to accompany us for a moment, we are in the space of the open-air geographic data event. Carlos, if you want to introduce yourself a little, there are people from Brazil, Ecuador, Colombia, and Peru, who are sharing and they are going to help us, let’s say, to map the Grand Basin of Baucinú. But then, each one has presented himself and has told a little, if you want to tell a little about yourself. Perfect, here I am Carlos Rodriguez, a research professor at the Metropolitan Autonomous University, Unidad Xochimilco. This is where the master’s degree in rural development is written, where all these students are very committed, already in their last trimester. In the trimester, I teach both the master’s degree and the doctorate, because the rural development postgraduate is an integral postgraduate.

It has the master’s and doctorate specialization levels and I am also in another postgraduate, which is the master’s degree in sustainable societies, which is a master’s degree that has the particularity of being online, being a master’s degree at a distance, and it handles topics related to sustainability, but in a scheme very similar to rural development, linked to processes in the countryside, to processes in the city, with social actors who are promoting projects.

In particular, the topics that I work on in the research are community defense of the territory, the construction of sustainability processes, and alternatives to development, which are the topics that the advisors work on, that I have in the different postgraduates. So they are more or less known topics, that appear in our thesis seminar, the territory, how social actors can influence the construction processes of the territory, and to promote the development of alternatives to development, which in this case has a main component as a proposal of the processes that each of the students studies.

Thank you very much, Carvalho. So, as I was saying, what do we do? Well, it is to link to this process the communities since 40, that is, it is a story that is documented and that I will try to summarize so that not all the words remain if we enter the part of the workshop, but they are long-term conflicts. Yes, I can share the presentation that summarizes some of the territorial conflicts and what this research work consists of. It is not an individual work like appropriating the data for my research, but what we are looking for is to put the research as a tool for the process of the movement. How? This project motivated the communities of the Bajosinu that had suffered, as I tell you, development projects, plans that since the 40s have proposed the construction of a dam in the high basin of the Sinu River, which is born in the Antioquia department, in the Nube Paramillo.

A project that in 1996 was concreted with the reconstruction, the beginning of the construction of the Urra dam. It was one of the major effects, but a long time ago it was being dried by Senegal. By promotion of the State, the State promoted through these plans a development model based on the fact that nature, the common goods must be appropriated and incorporated into the flows of capital accumulation. Let’s say expenses of community life that have ancestral origins in that area. And something that researchers, the same community appropriated as being in communities called amphibious communities, which are fishermen, and farmers, are not one thing or the other. They live, adapt, and adapt to the ecosystem through techniques that have been many hundreds of years of adaptation to the environment. However, these changes have distorted all their means of life and have affected their processes and communities have given organizational answers to this.

So this project comes as an opportunity, you see it as a motivation to reactivate processes that have been overlaid and overlaid by paramilitarism and the exercise of corruption and many violent, symbolic, and physical mechanisms of deactivation of social link processes. And then what they do is create a movement called the Social Movement of the Water Telling Stories as a way to re-signify their struggles. And then we decided to accompany the process by actively linking with the investigation to have, let’s say, the excuse to look for ways to continue there in the territory and maintain this participatory that began with the project. So one of the tools that have been built there since that moment, since 2018, has been working on the mapping.

We did it in a solitary way, practically, but today, that process that you see, that began in 2018, continued and today we are strengthening it, since the process has matured in the sense of being able to move forward in the construction of, for example, the reconstruction of the perimeter of the large the Bajo Sino. A process that has been the National Land Agency is the land authority that administers these matters and had, in quotes, extradited the file because there were interests for that to happen. The community, with that process of participatory mapping, reconstructed the points of the delimitation of the Bajo Sino and through that has been managed with this agency to tell you here if the information is there. We have been accompanying a topographic measurement of this area for 40 years, that you say that it is, they said in their reports that it was unrecognizable, that it could not be reconstructed, that it was impossible to reconstruct it, and what they manifest is that this is what we are doing. That process has continued and that is why we decided, instead of November, to create the task so as not to continue mapping individually, but to make a measurement.

The tasking manager tool of OpenStreamer allows us to measure the advances in the mapping of an area, find common users, and invite, well, what is happening thanks to opening this process to the community of volunteers and volunteers. So I will give you the link for the presentation which shows a little about the problems in general of the Bajo Sino and that is a little of the progress, of the research process that has been done. This process, let’s say, although I cannot say that it is a participatory action investigation, has been approached as much as possible to that approach and that means that the community participates in different moments in the broadest possible way, in the definition of the questions, in the measurement of the methodology, in the redefinition of the work and this, let’s say, it has to do.

What is mapping for? I am sharing the wiki, Jessica has just shared the task and I imagine that if someone is not a user, I think that all the people who are here, I do not know, if someone is not, with peace of mind that he tells us so that we do not have to stay behind and we do not speak Chinese, but I assume that everyone has a user created here in OpenStream App and if you do not have it, then I invite you to create it so that you can, but hey, that will not prevent you from seeing or contributing to mapping at this time in which we are. So if you enter these two tools, then here we have the wiki, which is the initial tool to link the task.

So why do we map the big scene? First to have a base cartography. I am also going to share the link to the geographic information system that has been maintained online and that has been updated and improved today it still lacks a lot of work to link the community mapping and one of the things that you said and here several have said is that the information is extracted, it is an extractivist also with the communities, its data is extracted and nothing is returned to them, I do not know.

So what is done with this? Well, the process that was done in 2018, the documents are very beautiful, it is very interesting and if you see the documents, it does not appear a single map because in another way the collective process did not give for that. A geographical work was done, training work was done, a link, a data generation work, which is what I have already told you that has been produced or that has generated several data productions from the community, but you did not need to mature and you needed time.

So here you see the platform that was designed in the framework of the project, Some professors from the National University of Geomatics, of Geography designed, it because they made a technical document to define which were the tools that they considered the best to visualize and work with the data. At this moment I believe that Coogee Server is the best tool we are looking to install to also link it to the processes because it allows us to work in the field, work with the data, and also work directly in a single environment, let’s say a much better workflow of work, but we are using Geo Network, which has allowed, let’s say if it is allowing the community to dialogue with the open data of the Geographic Institute Agustín Codasi, of the National Earth Agency, of many international agencies that are working on these same standards.

In this, I believe that what they raised was right. What we did was, given that there were no resources, ReDHumus put their volunteer to implement the tool. They designed the tool but did not implement it, It was implemented with the support of ReDHumus and today it is hosted here. If you see the water map telling stories, click on it, there are some examples there, but here you are going to see the map, I am going to share it on the screen for those who want to follow me on the screen, Jessica or anyone if you want to interrupt me, if you are telling me a lot of crap, let’s go to work, anything, just interrupt me, the microphone is open, okay? Where am I here? I think you are seeing the map in this direction, right? No.

Let’s see, I think now yes, you are seeing my screen. Yes, it is loading there and we can see it. Okay, so the link that I just showed you, directs to this GeoNode, GeoNetwork, this tool that we have here and there is the water map telling stories, that is, what is sought is that these data be from the community and a step to get closer to that is to put them at your disposal on a platform. This is what is going to be part of a water portal telling stories and the other part is that the stories that have been collected, that many recordings were left there, and that the others that we have been collecting since 2017 to here because we have been in charge of curing that information and having a human rights archive, a data archive, documents, there are many documents about the relationship of property and the properties that people need and this is just one part of the information and it is the social cartography fed on a base.

I am going to give you a small example, If one approaches here to the fire scene or the school scene, some names, Siena, Gacharco, and Rico, are names contributed by toponyms, contributed by the community in the social cartography exercises that we did was link them to the open stream map. From there to here, there has been growing interest from a few people, but let’s say it is a job, why few people? Because the work has not been done sufficiently at a community level to promote it, that is why the movement has, from the technical team that supports the movement, has agreed with the team that coordinates the movement, a participatory SIG project that can have resources to be able to do this fieldwork that we have designed a training process and that links a much more active exercise, but something wonderful that I think is that one of the young people from the Bajosinu synagogue who at that time was just, I think he was starting his career or in the middle of his career, at this moment he is finishing his career in geography at the University of Córdoba and his degree thesis has to do with his municipality, which is Chimá.

The Siena Grande is part of the Cenagoso complex of the Bajosinu, in the Cuenca Baja del Río Sinu, and links five municipalities and has influence in seven in total. But let’s say the basic part is the five municipalities. This is the big synagogue, the Bajosinu, and this is the exercise. The basic cartography of OpenStreamUp contributes to intensifying this. So getting more directly into the task, what it is about is describing what the objectives are, to generate knowledge located in the synagogue for the transformation of conflicts in the territory, its environmental, economic, and territorial, and then have a form and qualify a permanent team that supports the movement and that can carry out more horizontal dialogues with the institutions that at the moment are still vertically from institutions to communities. And also to present technologies and technologies for generation, maintenance, exchange, and data based on a focus on sovereignty. And basically when we enter the task, now if we enter the task as such, if there are any doubts about the other elements that have passed, to the bird’s eye, well you tell me.

This is an open process, we do not have a date, that is when we talk about it, it is not an emergency process, but it is supporting a process that is being worked on at the moment in the synagogue that is a proposal of, let’s say, there are already some management plans, there are some figures here, there is a district of integral management, there is a part of the synagogue that is a special district of soil management, that is, there are already some tools that are there and there are some mechanisms, some environmental management plans, however there are other tools that have not yet, although they exist, have not been filled with content, because basically what is wanted is to make movements to advance processes of social and ecological management of the use of the ecosystem, that dialogue with these institutional figures, normative, but that they are also an autonomous participatory exercise that manages these elements, then there comes a challenge that is, it is not a mapping by mapping, it is not mapping, it is mapping that they also have linked to a process of management, that this can serve to make a governance of common goods in this territory in the future, that the know-hows and the environmental culture of the territory are taken into account and also to address problems and contradictions that have led to the fact that basically the synagogues are reducing, that points, right? So this task, if we see, it tells us, you can tell who has already mapped in this task or for whom the task is new, someone has already mapped in the task, who can tell us a little, hey, I saw, I saw the instructions so that I do not talk so much, but that they tell us, look, I have not mapped, but I have already seen the instructions, but I do not think they are clear in this, because let’s say the first thing to start is, this is an invitation to make a participatory mapping to densify the cartographic base, right? the cartographic base, but also the territory of some particularities I am going to show you two examples of these particularities and let’s say, in terms of what we were saying right now, in the biological part, there are bodies of water that have been artificially modified, there are bodies of water that the trace can be seen, there are aerial photographs that show a growing epoch, but there are others that can show a period of deforestation or drying or decrease in water levels, how to map that, with what labels do we map the temporality of those bodies of water, a body of water that has been modified, that I can see the trace it had, but they put it in, they cut it, they made a terrapin, a jar, that is criminally modifying to dry that area, how do we map it? We have many entry questions, I would like, right now Jessica is raising her hand precisely for that question that I am asking, I am going to invite you in this document that I have shared at the beginning, which is where we are doing the registration, while Jessica talks, I am going to look at who has registered, what questions there are, and I also invite you to help us document this task better, to improve the instructions of the task, to start there, how to map, as I say, it is a task that is not going to finish a window of time like an emergency that is now, but it is also proposed that it does not have an end, this is a task that has, that we are determining the temporality, which will be in the next, let’s say in this, if we are in the month of March, we are giving it a time to be concluded in the month of June, which we can have another stage, another phase in a new task that can go deeper into some specific objects, that can correct some things that are necessary, for example from the ideological, biological, geographical point of view, that is necessary to address if we think that this can serve us for an ecological and social process of the territory.

Go ahead, Jessica. No, I was not raising my hand to answer that question because it seemed very difficult to me, I didn’t have an answer at that moment, but what you mentioned about if someone had already mapped, I wanted to make my opinion, but welcome to the people who have also been in this task, editing information, I also invite you to comment. From my perception, I did not know first about this task, only when I got in touch with you that I found out, it seemed to me of my interest, that is, it motivated me to map, but the first thing I see is also the need to build a mapping guide, because it is a very large task, which has a very large area, and apart from that it implies everything that you have already mentioned about the bodies of water, which are entities that are already very complex because they have a very transitory state, as you were mentioning, and that they are even linked to those states, not only to their natural state, I don’t know, the natural state of a body of water that can be influenced by different variables and that can change, but also by an anthropogenic influence on the part of human activities that are around, so it seems very complex to me to map, for example, in the part that says mapping of the bodies of water, because that’s how you go to the task and you enter with your user, you can see in the part of the instructions that says you need to map elements such as buildings, water, use of the soil, roads, changes made by man, I understand it like that, so a person, a beginner or a mapper who suddenly doesn’t have much, even being an advanced mapper, I think, because each territory has its different conditions and I think that also depending on that there are even big discussions about what tags to use in some cases depending on the country and the areas in OpenStream.

So I do think that I am not saying it for the project as such, but that it should be for the people for example that we link or that we want to address a little of this because if not, it will be information that instead of providing a little it will confuse, I don’t know, the processes linked to the objectives that this mapping has, so I think it is very important to start also with a mapping guide or that at least we make some maps where we all dedicate ourselves to mapping, to share doubts and how I do this and what would be the best label for this because it is mapping where one begins with so many doubts.

I, for example, had the opportunity to enter a task through one of these little squares which is one of the squares that you can see if you are watching it in the Task Manager, so one enters one of these squares that is called a task because I imagine that we are all related with this Task Manager platform and for example, while one approaches the task one will not be able to enter because they are all related with the biological, for example, the type of ecosystem or the type of ecosystem so there are many doubts and I think that would be the main thing so that the task can move forward with a mapping guide and in my case what I did was go a little more to the limits of the limits of the task that is, around because that’s where I could map the buildings more easily you could see from the satellite image also some tanks or water bodies that were easier to label but I was going more to the center of all that complete image of the task where all the divisions are it was quite complex I did not dare to do it there because there was no guide and I think that would be important to start working on this or as I say if it is not possible because I know that this involves time although if you have to dedicate time to establish or not establish but if there is already share that methodology in terms of labels that this is public because this task is public and that is within the wiki and as part of that the guide that was my observation but that is, not as an observation as missing but as an opportunity for us to work there and also learn to do this if there is not suddenly something specific a specific mapping guide because I consider it particularly complex it is complex and I think that it is very important that we do not have the task made public even the OpenStreamApp group Colombia had not even shared we have worked with Andrés Gómez the subject but it has not been made public suddenly with that intention knowing that the task must be piloted first so that it is done well what has been done is contact the mappers with some activity in the area and I contacted the OSM messagería to those users inviting them to work on the task and then when putting it public in the hot obviously mappers appear that begin to do the task and we have been contacting them I think that is key what you are mentioning and not everything is documented not everything is resolved but let’s say there is a commitment in general that documentation in a community way and to be able to do the curation with a responsibility I personally am committed to be able to do it so that this has a good end so that we can even link people the companion of geography mentioned to them has not been able to connect in this opportunity of this session but let’s say working with people also from the territory has changed the area of course but the people who live there have a greater recognition and they also have some knowledge and can help us and that is linked to the issue of labels I wanted to greet Maya the Awam Quajimalpa who is also in Mexico who is connected I wanted to greet Juan Diego Ibatá who is in Medellín Colombia and David Lueña who have also said things have been presented to answer your question if anyone else has any other question what we have we have to improve it definitely in the wiki I want to invite people who want to start mapping enter a tecela and start looking to observe what is there in that area in that tecela in which they are mapping that is to say that they do the procedure and to answer your question I will do it as getting into a task then you say well in the instructions they are very generic these instructions must be improved I invite you here today and also again to the people who are connected who can help us to write because I will not give with the map or Jessica will not give it either but the invitation is that I am putting this then I for example say it is required to document the task to make a guide a more complete mapping guide and in fact what has been put in the chat is not here and that is part of these exercises that we can leave a memory of that and here let’s say in the instructions it is invited to map the labels are very basic they are very generic it is invited to map buildings water bodies in generic and then that is not so easy because we have also found ourselves not only because of the characteristics that is the part that I have I know less but there is a need to know this and from the companions who manage the process in the in the Sienaga to those who are also doing a research on the subject and it is to know the particularities because for example the buildings, the water if we see the wiki in the wiki we have some tools and some special requirements that is what I have put that is called like this so what is there about that detail that you see that is needed there is one a work was done in a very limited area of photographs like Pilari that were taken between 2018 and 2019 that helped a little to have photographs at a level but it is not a very vast exercise and which with other tools Open Street Camp could be continued in a coordinated way with people on the ground the other that also helps us to map is to link and that we are going to do in the task to make it a little more explicit as we have a layer in Spanish I do not know how this is said WMS but it is a layer that what you see from the social cartography that I showed you right now on the map that we have in the Sienaga these data can be linked to Open Street Map I can visualize them from Open Street Map then we have a tecel server with that social cartography in a tool called geoserver that is the one that serves to geonode geonode takes from there and if I want to include Open Street Map I can resume that social cartography I could for example here is a layer that is grouping or I could take some of the objects to help me map for example if I want focus on uses uses I could take the use layer and see what is the what is the when we take a layer what we do is take it from here the general link and this is the map tecel service then what I what I do to link this service is take the link that is here and what we can do is an improvement in the task is include it as a base map if we see that technically it will help us we have another tool that is a telegram group a telegram group to coordinate to talk about this particular task that is, the people who are interested who are mapping we are inviting all the people to link to this telegram group but there is also a email list that people don’t use the email lists and we can coordinate establish dialogues that go beyond these days but that allow us to go a little further then in the image part and in images preferences I don’t know what editor you use we can link I think I hadn’t done it so far let’s hope we don’t miss anything because here we should show the layers and and let’s hope we do or if we don’t we will do it another time but basically from OpenStreamMap you can you can get let’s say this this visualization so what can it help us for to have an additional reference of data taken with community about the information that is there although I think that will not answer all your concerns right now I can’t find it I have to see if I’m putting it wrong the address to get it right don’t worry Miguel I think that can be one of the things I don’t know how they work because some we are familiarized a little more with Jaws I use more the IDE lately I’m connecting with the mapping a little more but I was more of a download and use user now I’m linking with the map but that can be one of the things that they start doing participating a little more actively in this task to show us how this could be linked for example from Jaws because sometimes it appears a very important repository I personally didn’t know that it could be done that way then it could be linked later when we do for example a mapping activity and then we can link and share all this information if it responds a little to let’s say not a concern but one of the things that should be taken into account so that the mapping of this area can be adequate but also I think it is important I don’t know how far you have come and if it is under construction but it is also important to see in the case of the labels of these bodies of water or these areas that intrinsically transition there is a movement and in a moment there can be a body of water that moves to one side and then there can be a body of water that moves to the other that changes in amplitude they are very dynamic bodies so also looking because I think one of the discussions that is around the open strip map is that it feeds not so much an event but something a little more I don’t know if to call it stable but I can’t find the word but I think the idea is understood because today we can map it in a way that the repository that is showing us is the repository that is available with the people in the community but we should also have a commitment to modify if we want to map these bodies of water to modify or update this information because they are transition a body of water will never be the same and less if we talk about a condition like the one of the Senagas and this complex as big as this one that is located in the department of Cordoba so also as that thought that I think it would be important to take it into account within the activities that are going to have for the mapping of this area it is a thought I don’t know if that meant I don’t know if any of the people who are here have seen that some tasks are being blocked that is, two I don’t know two people who are simultaneously working and they have also something to mention they have done a visual exploration and they have something something that they want us to take into account because we can also close this meeting but we can program for example a map to talk about these aspects or go to map what I would do or what I would think would be the most adequate I don’t know in a way that is very just as a piece of advice or what I think could be done initially is to start from the least to the most that is, to start from the least complex that would be simply adding buildings roads and maybe paving that from a satellite image can have less change in time for example and go to the most complex that is already after having a discussion about the labels of these water bodies or the repositories and start getting there but I don’t know, I would think that to start nurturing the map we could go from the least and while going to one linking much more with everything that should be taken into account when mapping an area like this we get to the most and I think that is also congruent with the formation with the necessity that people that are linked with mapping activities take into account because as you mentioned at some point it is not only mapping and that but all of this is what should be taken into account before mapping a project and that is what you too the people that are here interested in this activity or similar activities or projects that can be done also or challenges that you want to tackle should also think about it is not only mapping or we are going to do this but it is thinking about everything what it implies in the actors that are there communities, entities in the dynamics of what is going to be mapped to also enter to nurture that map and to be able to contribute in a way that really contributes I stop talking because I also talked a lot and I don’t know I would like to give the word if Miguel agrees to other people that are mapping that want to make the last contributions or questions or contributions ideas and so that we can also close with the commitment to make a map soon or to stay in touch or to link to the Telegram group to do it Yes, thank you, Jessica before I think it is very important to listen to other people who want to communicate these concerns I just wanted to complete the part of the tools there are some things that have been tried to do to advance in that one in terms of the constructions there is a particularity in this area that is these kiosks that is about putting a photo an example that is not very to visualize so much but I think that is part of improve the documentation are kiosks made in paca with palm trees that are generally in the back if I have a construction if it is in cement in front behind is a kiosk that is like the traditional practice is very common in these areas the same with the bathrooms outside the construction of the house the issue of the cultivation areas here is an example and it is missing a little put a little more description of why it is the particularity is generally these cultivation areas there are some areas that are also modified even many are the patios that give the cienaga then the areas are diverse surface the surface has different areas has different shapes and corresponds to uses take into account a little what are the local uses we have the information of what are the local uses the local products and with a little more detail even concentrating in some areas since it is a very wide area we can concentrate even some plots in some areas where we can work with people the place that we can do a more detailed recognition of the area with the type of what you said these areas that are half-wages or wells that are more relatively easier to map what we have done is create some presets or or predefined in these predefined that are in the application that you also find in the search of predefined when I go to look for these predefined I appear in a series of of all those who are loaded in the database in the wiki in the wiki there is a section where you can create even predefined that do not exist we create two three one, highway that is linking the labels are several labels and that would be missing to put it more publicly there more explicit if you see the highway links several labels are the areas of mangrove that also what has been done is and that needs a dialogue with the people who know about the topic to see if they need if they are not those labels and also the cultivation of palm those are three presets that we have created and for example they facilitate the user that if I am going to then I do not know what area I’m going to put here if this was a highway because I’m just going to the predefined that downloaded that we create for this purpose and we can create new presets simply if there is a change in the source and look at the highway already links the name the description if it is intermittent or not if the label in this case is natural water we can see if it is well labeled or not and like the label water and well that is the highway for example then I already have that and I do not have to see which are the labels that I am going to put there or for example if instead I go the same with a palm crop or with an area that has mangrove in this case there are no mangroves but it is linked to the other part apart from that mouth that let’s say in a moment we will have to expand towards that area of the mouth of the lower Sino because there is where these areas are being mapped and here in Enfuerte there has been a growth in palm crops in this area then let’s say it has also been of interest our mapping palm in different places there are Federico Exploradores another OpenStreamMap Colombia user who has mapped palm crops a lot then there we get together and let’s say in this case I have created these three presets to help mapping and so we can create things that facilitate work and in dialogue with people who know about the subject then that’s what I wanted to show while the colleagues are talking I’m going to sit in an area of the San Pablo community that I have mapped to see a little graphically while you talk how that area has been mapped give it here Hi, again I was reviewing the task of mapping in Manaya and the geographical challenge seems very bad to me it’s a very very big swamp besides it was the point the factor of time I was comparing with Mazda it looks different with Bing it looks different with everything it looks different then there would be that there to talk so much with the locals about how they mapped it and also how it would be the best way to use it because we have the idea that it has been used for the benefit of everyone that for one point then also I was also reviewing the mapping there is very little mapping and there should be much more mapping especially in the area because I can see certain ways in the satellite map and the mapping changes a lot the topic this is especially changed because in the last project we did here in the Peruvian Peninsula in the last sale also in Ipsac something very curious happened because we got to gather a multinational team from many countries then what we did was in Cusco we had an archaeologist here I also do some because the archaeologist was also doing some work so the point is this archaeologist was mapping it didn’t work very well he needed support so through the event we got together and we all together we developed a protocol I am in Lima Cahue is in Brazil we have a group in Lucayali in the Amazon we started with Cusco so the best way to generate updated data because our photos are very old and of bad quality so he took a very good picture of the area everything I mean I can buy a screen here you know where to buy a screen here because I want to show you I don’t have the option or like this wait, you have to go to Lima an icon that is like to the right that has like a computer if you don’t have it I can minimize the presentation I mean, it was because I am editing no, you have to I mean, it was because I am editing I mean, it was because I am editing I mean, it was because I am editing you have to I think you have to click on KingQuispe on the left no, Miguel is the administrator Miguel, click on KingQuispe and it will show up now yes thank you thank you Andres it’s good that you are here thank you for being here yes thank you Andres for the introduction this was how the area was initially it had very little map and then he already built he was the only one and a girl and they started to map everything and that helped a lot because in the digital image the paths were not noticeable between the marsh, the mud and all the straw so the path was not noticeable so that helped a lot we could already map the area a lot there were a lot of archaeological sites it’s a pre-Indian area so there were a lot of archaeological sites and he as an archaeologist did his job and he started to detail the Inca walls so a very good complement between the remote work, the mapping of the area and the field work so I think that here we could also do that because it is important after that I was seeing there are many houses close to the task I think it is obvious that there should be floods here so that point of management of the river is a point that we have been talking about a lot and there we could build something especially with the community I don’t know what to say much you tell me how is the problem of management of the river that is so common and impactant in damage, floods or rain that come and go it is a problem that grows and decreases constantly apart from that there is an opportunity to work directly with the people there and start it and also for last I wanted to talk about Rudjar, who was the archaeologist that was in Kuzo that moved everything practically he came to Tampumachaya, which is a peasant community he talked to them he said, hey, I have this idea it can help you a lot mainly for the agricultural areas because the agricultural areas are not mapped they wanted to know how much square they had of potatoes, of water and he went and met with the community people and they made a document, everything very formal then the community even helped them with people these roads, for example the Mapillari roads not often accompanied you know the roads many times they are mountain mountains more than 3000 meters and that’s why they go with people so there is significant community because from a meeting with the community directly, it is a meeting with a lot of people and they are seeing now they are seeing now the process goes in the labeling of agricultural areas in the field and finally about Greek, I have to believe in Wikimedia because it is a site of geographical value historical I think there may be a window there are schools in the communities there are schools here I don’t think there are universities I don’t know the problem of the internet I don’t know what kind of internet there is here other than a good one because for example we here in Peru we also wanted to start a project in the Amazonia then the internet threw us everything we had to use JafyPay and so it cut the possibilities a lot but it seems to me that here precisely because of the historical value of the area and the feeling of identity that these people here can have maybe an educational policy can be introduced regarding this with the use of Wikipedia I don’t know if you can imagine the kids working well, contributing in a certain way obviously they don’t go to the cartel they go to the e-masters but it is important to leave a footprint of what is being done as a historical memory of the project and it is to tie ties and in the future this will grow and maybe a commission will be formed within the community and we will have the opportunity to do more things Genia, thank you very much you can put the link that you shared with us of the documentation they made and that process to know it please thank you very much I don’t know what you think, Miguel but I think it’s time to close we have always been here for two hours I’m already hungry, in Colombia it’s one o’clock so well, I don’t know it’s fifteen o’clock here you already had lunch you didn’t have lunch and in Mexico at twelve, right? you have to go to the kitchen to have lunch at twelve I’m still hungry at Colombian time my stomach is still with Colombian time in any case, we thank you very much for being here I hope you have learned and also enjoyed this session this space thank you very much Miguel thank you very much for giving us a little bit of your time to share what you are doing I personally if the time I can dedicate I want to be more active in this task in the project in general I invite people who are interested in participating more actively to contribute not only by editing but also as Ken did for example, by providing information about how it has been done in other parts about ideas of how to suddenly arrange some necessary elements then, that’s the idea that we want these spaces within Youth mappers’ capacity that you present what you are doing that we bring projects situations in which we can also contribute in which there is also a route an important role of open map and open data so that we all can benefit a lot and we can also learn and continue to address other things but with elements that share with us as a community then I wanted to ask people if you think Miguel that we take as a nickname to put in the networks and that we also remain with the commitment I don’t know how you want to approach it if we link to the Telegram group and you leave it there in the public chat or already in communication we do another Mapatoni event and we dedicate ourselves to mapping a little more if you want to map with us No, great I am open let’s say here we will continue for the point case of today we are open waiting for more people to come or we work another space where there will be other people called and I will be open if there is any doubt or someone wants to map together in the afternoon hours we will be open what is already I have just shared the Telegram group and the email list as you want to contact we can also if you like we can schedule mapping days we invent formats we invent ways we can think for example punctual things to solve these concerns that came out today and be able to continue them in a short time during this month we can think another day let’s say select an area invite some people who are inhabitants of the area and that we can for example dialogue and map talking a little about what they are living observing that they help us in some way I thought it could be a way as Kin invited us then well, there is open to that we can Kin says sorry Ken Well, that’s it, I don’t think so on my part we are still in contact and you know guys you have the Telegram group then I invite people who want to activate the camera so we can take a photo before closing and we can conclude don’t leave us alone please Ken, talk calmly if you want you have your hand up my battery is only at 1% so I’m going to stay 1, 2, 3 for the photo 1, 2, 3 photo 1, 2, 3 Ken, come for the photo your hair is very beautiful today I liked it a lot you are very handsome I like it a lot I like it a lot I like it a lot I like it a lot I like it a lot I like it a lot I’m going to wait here done Ken, quickly 1% battery 1, 2, 3 photo done well, thank you very much thank you very much it has been a very good meeting thank you very much well, we are in conversation we are in contact and thank you very much for being present thank you, thank you happy lunch thank you, see you later bye Andres, thank you…

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